"1.4"

[Blunt Force Trauma]

Apparently if anyone fancies any facet of Battlezone (BZ1), and its excercised in any way that is outside of the forum and server he controls, its unacceptable.

Attack Rat made a very insightful observation a few days ago when he said spock would rather dominate a stable of 5 BZ players under his server ban control, than be 'just another player' in a community of 100.

What he touted in his first few weeks of his server is he would "end the banning".  It would be ironic if it was anyone else, but he is now magnitudes more abusive than any other server host or game host I've known in the history of BZ.  And again, that's why BZ1.4 is defunct.

[Firestorm29]

Nah, I think it's more of the fact that you used something from BzE, what I'm surprised Spock hasn't referred to at the Anti-Christ of Battlezone.

I think that's the cause of all the flak between this and issues such as the Gun Towers spinning from Thumpers, it's features of BzE which I think is his sworn enemy being adding to his game.

[TheWall]

Nah, I think it's more of the fact that you used something from BzE...

Actually, the NET.INI file is not a BzE file, it is a Battlezone file, of which players had been experimenting with since the dawn of BZ in an attempt to optimize game play over the internet.

[TheWall]

"ACTUALLY"....

If anyone actually reads this thread, you really need to read the thread it references.



All this "LOVE" for only having had downloaded, installed "BZ98" for less than one week. I think I played in one 4 player strat game for about.. guessing 20 min or so before my PC froze up, a DM Tank game for gosh better than 1/2 an hour but less than an hour I'm pretty sure. Which by the way, one of the players now impugning me on their forum had accused me of being a "hack" because he and I had a ping of approximately 400(+/- a bit). And, "FTR", He'd sent me a PM over the forum apologizing, where I'd accepted the apology and just sloughed it off as another day "on the front". I won't "name" the player, as that just might taint me with being of that same brand of person. And I played one two (2) player strat.

DL'd, Installed, played a FEW games, and UNINSTALLED bz98 in less than a WEEK, and now having myself impugned, solely because I was only unwilling to submit to self-hailed king Spock.

I'd said that I support anyone and anything that supports BZ directly or indirectly... I'm not convinced that what I am seeing now can be categorized as "supporting" BZ.

[Blue_Leader]

Eh, I don't actually play Bz1 but those guys rub me off as being a bunch of losers. If they honestly think there is "sides" in this over decade old game then they need to evaluate their issues and note that people will play what they like, be that Bz1, BzE or otherwise.

[Firestorm29]

Actually, the NET.INI file is not a BzE file, it is a Battlezone file, of which players had been experimenting with since the dawn of BZ in an attempt to optimize game play over the internet.

I wrote is as more of how I see him taking a stance on it, not the actual truth of the file. I didn't know how much effort was put into that file over the years, although I do appreciate it. Being able to see 200 pings instead of maybe 800 is nice.

Though I have to seriously wonder how can anyone view having a 400 ping as a hack?

I feel ya as far as the whole war thing, I got banned for refusing to take a side. I stand by what I said in that forum about the hate, why else would he be taking such an active stance to polarize every single player?

[Red Devil]

"Don't sweat the small stuff."

Your child could be in St. Jude's getting chemo or in the Shriner's Burn Unit.

[TheWall]

I wrote is as more of how I see him taking a stance on it, not the actual truth of the file. I didn't know how much effort was put into that file over the years, although I do appreciate it. Being able to see 200 pings instead of maybe 800 is nice.

I hear ya... and I wrote what I did, to illustrate how incomprehenably illogical (IE - insane/anal) it is to "dis" a mere, legacy Battlezone file, because it can be indirectly associated with BzE. Using that same "logic"  "BZ 1.4" should warrant the same disdain.

[Blunt Force Trauma]

Though I have to seriously wonder how can anyone view having a 400 ping as a hack?

I feel ya as far as the whole war thing, I got banned for refusing to take a side. I stand by what I said in that forum about the hate, why else would he be taking such an active stance to polarize every single player?

If you've played at spock's server enough, which I did up until late summer of last year, you would have quickly discovered he uses any excuse, no matter how ridiculous, to ban players.  Don't get me wrong, I much preferred playing BZE over the broken, easily exploited and hack infested 1.4, but there were STILL a small handful of honest players left in late summer worth playing that chose, for whatever reason, to not play BZE.  So I put up with the nonsense till spock's banning addiction kicked in to overdrive.

Example, I was banned from the server for banning the co-admin Harry, aka "paco" for continuously putting hard core male homosexual porn on his P and then using player names like "Click P for BZE".  I was then told by spock that the only banning would be done by him.  So. . . I mentioned Harry's indiscretions to spock, told him to click the P to the name linked to Harry's IP and also tried to explain how it would drive players off, especially kids who's parents saw the link.

I was ignored.

I said to myself, ok, whatever. Sadly I knew they were killing the game, but it was their server and their call, but I decided to personally keep Harry banned, and as a result, was banned from the server.  I was subsequently unbanned after a week or so, but kept harry banned, and was banned a second time.

That ended my involvement on their server.

But again, the above was one of MANY actions I found to be of extremely poor judgment and character by a server host.  And that's why I have no patience when I read of comments defending spock, I immediately assume one of two possibilities; the person siding with spock either has a similar immature personality, OR has no idea of the history of BZ of the last 3 or 4 years and certainly is not familiar with the actions that go on continuously at his server.

[Jòñßlûñd ;)™]

JB and I have always had a good relationship. I've never had reason to doubt him in any way. There is no question in my mind that he is doing what he genuinely feels is best for the game.

Thanks Wally. And yes I'm all for preserving the original game. Another aspect is that the BZ1.4 "clan" came about by stratters and is run by stratters. We wish modders and DM players a lot of fun but don't nessacerelly support their cause and means by which a few of them have tried/try to attract players. It's not really so much about Spock or reaper (or whoever single person), as many seem to believe, and a lot more about what players prefere to play.
What some seem to understand to be a "1.4 ghetto" or "spocks group" seems not relevant for others than the "clan" that can't seem to attract enough players to BzE. And yes it's very convenient to pick a single person to be responsible for the misery.
Personally I wish the BzE clan good luck with whatever they find pleasant in life.     

[bb1]

Thanks Wally. And yes I'm all for preserving the original game. Another aspect is that the BZ1.4 "clan" came about by stratters and is run by stratters. We wish modders and DM players a lot of fun but don't nessacerelly support their cause and means by which a few of them have tried/try to attract players. It's not really so much about Spock or reaper (or whoever single person), as many seem to believe, and a lot more about what players prefere to play.
What some seem to understand to be a "1.4 ghetto" or "spocks group" seems not relevant for others than the "clan" that can't seem to attract enough players to BzE. And yes it's very convenient to pick a single person to be responsible for the misery.
Personally I wish the BzE clan good luck with whatever they find pleasant in life.     

Where do you get your info that BzE players hacked the dog crap out of 1.4? Because I don't buy it for a second. I know the people who work on it behind the scenes, and there is no way they have enough time in their days or enough tolerance of certain players that they would spend </= 5 minutes DEALING with that hacking crap, let alone deal with it. ----Just a blunt way to reiterate what BFT has been saying this whole thread.

[Firestorm29]

Thanks Wally. And yes I'm all for preserving the original game. Another aspect is that the BZ1.4 "clan" came about by stratters and is run by stratters. We wish modders and DM players a lot of fun but don't nessacerelly support their cause and means by which a few of them have tried/try to attract players. It's not really so much about Spock or reaper (or whoever single person), as many seem to believe, and a lot more about what players prefere to play.
What some seem to understand to be a "1.4 ghetto" or "spocks group" seems not relevant for others than the "clan" that can't seem to attract enough players to BzE. And yes it's very convenient to pick a single person to be responsible for the misery.
Personally I wish the BzE clan good luck with whatever they find pleasant in life.     

You forgot if you choose you, you can't play with the others.

This shouldn't be that you have to choose one over the other if it's merely all about gameplay choices. It's
natural for people to want to drift towards others that like that kind of play or attitude, be be it a flavor of DM
or strategy gameplay. In every other online game I've played this remained a fact, with exception to BZ1
with it's active attempts to separate players at every practical moment to choose one group over the other.

I swear this community could swell pretty big, both BzE and BZ 1.4, if the drama was put to an end. The
game's old, and doesn't have alot of other players so it'll most likely attract either older, more mature
players or players looking for an old school feel. Seeing two differing sides taking constant pop shots at
each other with a chasm as wide as the Alantic is going to drive those people away. Hell, I could even
get people I play around with in a IRC chat to even try the game once I mentioned the situation of
the community.

It's just so frustrating how we've tried so many times to tell you guys this, but it feels like all you guys do
when we EVEN HINT at this fact you guys completely ignore it as if it weren't the truth.

[Blunt Force Trauma]

To me it all boils down to this;  Can BZ be improved, and is it inherently broken?  In that, does it have MANY ways it can be exploited AND/OR hacked?

If you say no. . .then you're welcome to embarrass yourself and respond.

But . . do we have an answer out of this dillemma? Maybe by one of the vague and mystical ways we've seen attempted many many times in the past?. . . . . . . to "take charge" in one's own divinely biased way (ban. . .for good OR unjust) .   YEA. . .that's the answer!

Look...

Face the CLEAR facts, of the 15 or so people left playing BZ, a third...yes... at LEAST a third. . .  of them know ALL about how to hack, tweak or otherwise reduce the game to a laughing stock.

To deny a version of BZ, whether it be an honest attempt by a person scraping together whatever he can find or by someone who has intimate insider knowledge. . . for the sake of "keeping it original" is ...well...mind blowing.

If you have tough time conceiving that AT LEAST there's a POSSIBILITY 1.4 is a joke of a game at this point in time. . . well. . .have fun living the blissful 1.4 experience.

[Jòñßlûñd ;)™]

Yes Firestorm I fully agree there should be no need to publicly choose sides in order to be accepted in one or the other community.
Btw I know/have known many DM players and have fun with them in DM games, even when it's not my first choice genre. Just in case someone misunderstood..

Anyway the "divorce" was a bit tough for many and fences have been put up. Would be up to the levelheadet and unbiassed to try diplomatic ways and calm things down. 

I doubt I'll get into "discussions" here about events in the past with just anyone. I prefere to play games while I have the time. Not even sure I've ever met any of you in game beside of TheWall. Would be pretty timeconsuming to get to an historical uppdate everyone can agree on. I start sweating just thinking of it 

As for preserving the original game; this does include the 1.5 patch Ken Miller is working on.


 

 

[Ultraken]

Yup.  1.5 is meant to keep everything players like about 1.4 while bringing in a bunch of fixes and improvements.